Ha, I never thought of that- wokeness being based on hatred. That would make a lot of sense why woke comedy is so snide and condescending, as those are all based on getting a laugh at the expense of deriding or looking down on someone.
A good example of the a mean-spirited comedy informed by wokeness is “I, Tonya.” The movie is well done in one sense, and it’s probably Margot Robbie’s best role. But the whole point is to show just how trashy and stupid Tonya Harding was. Contrast that with Clint Eastwood’s Richard Jewell, which sympathetic depiction of a low class but perfectly heroic American security guard who’s harassed by the FBI and given crap because of he’s considered dumb white trash.
Comedy needs to have some kind of redemption. Otherwise it’s either unfunny, cruel, or usually both.
Inability to "get" ordinary humor is one of the defining characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder. I've observed that narcissists often react aggressively towards ordinary humor, regarding it as a waste of their time. However, they find cruelty towards out-groups (and anyone else they don't like) to be uproariously funny. They're also the kind of people who think animal cruelty is funny.
I don't live in the US and so I'm not bombarded with with the partisan media that I perceive dominates the US. But I am a liberal (in the incorrect way that it's used in the US). My perception is that what is referred to as woke started as a movement to show empathy for people usually sidelined and maligned by mainstream society. It's about learning and understanding history rather than clichés so that you can understand how we got here. It need not be about aportioning blame if people are able to learn the lessons.
So I don't understand your statement that woke relies on hatred. I can see that there are many humourless individuals who take the idea of woke and use it as a bludgen to force their world view on others just like there are people who use selected passages from holy books to preach a version of that religion that contradicts the main point of religion. But does that negate everything in religion? Or in woke?
Personally, I've always thought that another way of thinking of woke is being polite and treating people with empathy and respect. But unfortunately the word woke has now been weaponised to justify selfishness and greed. And it is much harder to craft great comedy when everyone is treated with empathy and respect as the very act of poking fun at someone contradicts this.
So I agree with the central argument of this article but not with your lazy comment about woke being hatred. You're just regurgitating a cliché which is used now, ironically, to create hatred rather than understanding.
Woke people make that claim that they are about empathy and respect, but the vandalism, in-your-face confrontations, and other thuggish behavior by many of them say otherwise. It is literally leading to innocent people getting murdered, raped, robbed, and their property destroyed. Yes, it goes on a lot, despite much of the media either trying to downplay it or cover it up. The victims are not getting empathy or respect from the woke. Many of the nasty accusations by the woke masses are founded on dishonesty or ignorance that is so obvious that the only emotion many people can see driving it is blind hatred. I have been around many decades and I can tell you that the blind hatred, not to mention people not living in reality, in this country has gone up with wokeness.
Sorry, your argument doesn't make any sense. I think, and I stress this is a non US resident's view, that you're being lied to by your media. Statistically violent crime, excluding gun crime, is actually falling in the US but you're trying to tell me A) that it's worse. B) that it's committed by "woke" people. It's absurd.
Look, I know that we're never going to agree about this but it really scares me that you're being manipulated to hate your fellow citizens. Think back 30 years to before the Internet and social media. To before Fox decided it could get better ratings spewing hate than reporting the news impartially.
We're not being "manipulated" to hate them. They hate us. They say so quite often. The degree to which they attack and use government power against anyone who disagrees with them is evident. We don't need media to tell us this because nearly all of us have experienced direct confrontation with them. They may claim to be "peace and love", but they have no problem with using racial and other slurs against people who have the temerity to disagree with them. It's impossible to have a polite conversation with them about nearly anything.
Wokeness is a form of gnosticism. The Woke really believe that they are inherently superior beings who, by virtue of their existence, deserve to be the nation's rulers. Things like law and ethics are, to them, merely tools for their use alone. No one else is supposed to touch them.
It looks like you got everything backwards. Everything.
I get my information from a plethora of sources, including international. I have been reading and listening to multiple new sources decades before Fox, which you apparently have no idea what it is about (that false negative reporting about this news outlet comes from hatred aimed at Fox, not the other way around.) I have personally heard things that, when reported in some of the woke-leaning news sources, is so twisted and made ugly that it does not resemble the truth. That is what it seems you are following.
Another example - theft in stores has skyrocketed in California because many of the jurisdictions in that state have decided to not prosecute thefts of under $900 or some other large amount. Since they don't prosecute, they are not considered crimes - hence the supposedly lower crime rate in this category. (There are plenty of other crimes are being ignored and criminals being let off the hook - for woke reasons.) Many stores are not allowed to try to stop these thieves. Businesses are going bankrupt, their investors are losing money, and the employees are being laid off with the store closures.
That's wokeness for you.
If your sources are not telling you this, you should expand your number of sources. Do so for many years (preferably decades), remember how the news changes based on time and other circumstances (like political parties), and start comparing. If you go in with an open mind, you will be amazed.
I think you need to go back and watch The Good Place again. Danson is not an angel. He is a demon, and the place he has set up is an individually designed torture in Hell for the target, Shellstrop, in this instance. As you go thru the seasons, you find there is actually no way to get to the Good Place, something they end up fixing at the end. It's a pretty decent commentary on Heaven and Hell that works despite the wokeness of the casting. And yes, they play on all the racial and ethnic stereotypes, which also works. Surprisingly good considering the setup. Watch it again. Cheers -
Remember, in Parks and Rec, Ron Swanson was supposed to be the antagonist, but they just couldn't make him unlikable. We were supposed to hear his opinions and recoil, but instead he ended up being the voice of reason on the show.
I believe you miss the mark with Attorney Woo. It's not a comedy per se, but a romance. As a long time Kdrama watcher I can tell you something closer to pure comedy is Lee Kwang Su's The Sound of Your Heart. The longtime comedian and variety host satirizes Korean genre TV as a sad sack cartoonist that Walter Mitty's his life.
I’ll have to check it out. I’ve watched a few other Korean shows like Kingdom and The Glory that seemed more dramatic. Woo had serious moments, but seemed more comedic to me. I guess it’s not a typical satire, but the tone’s lighthearted and there’s irony aplenty.
The tropes are different and most of what we would call "comedy" are romances edging towards rom-coms. The melodrama, cop show, supernatural show, historical dramas are all more prevalent than a US sit-com. I used to work for an Asian TV re-streamer here in the US that was bought out and closed down by a major US network and I saw very few pure comedies. And yes, Woo is lighthearted, but the main impetus of the show is not to make fun of her or for her autism to cause wacky hijinks.
As well as being funny, a good sitcom relies on the audience enjoying being in the company of its characters. Hanging out with them, laughing with them, and yes, at them, just as you do with real life friends.
The problem for Woke in all this is that it hates people. It despises them. Assumes they are awful to the core and will commit the most heinous acts of ‘hate’ unless policed and monitored at the micro level.
And no one wants to hang out with people like that.
Good point. The Good Place cast becomes so damn annoying by the second season. I could enjoy a beer with Danson or Bell if they were their first season characters. After that, I think I’d just go to the Bad Place to avoid the cringe of being around them.
You don't like Barbie or the Good Place, but you do think that Critical Drinker is interesting or informative. Awesome, no need to read any more of your work.
I believe the author said that he liked Season One of the Good Place. This would make sense given that it did get renewed for later seasons. I believe what he didn’t like were the later seasons, which makes sense since we know the show was ultimately cancelled.
Wokeness relies on hatred. It's kind of hard to do good comedy when that is the basis for the jokes.
Ha, I never thought of that- wokeness being based on hatred. That would make a lot of sense why woke comedy is so snide and condescending, as those are all based on getting a laugh at the expense of deriding or looking down on someone.
A good example of the a mean-spirited comedy informed by wokeness is “I, Tonya.” The movie is well done in one sense, and it’s probably Margot Robbie’s best role. But the whole point is to show just how trashy and stupid Tonya Harding was. Contrast that with Clint Eastwood’s Richard Jewell, which sympathetic depiction of a low class but perfectly heroic American security guard who’s harassed by the FBI and given crap because of he’s considered dumb white trash.
Comedy needs to have some kind of redemption. Otherwise it’s either unfunny, cruel, or usually both.
Inability to "get" ordinary humor is one of the defining characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder. I've observed that narcissists often react aggressively towards ordinary humor, regarding it as a waste of their time. However, they find cruelty towards out-groups (and anyone else they don't like) to be uproariously funny. They're also the kind of people who think animal cruelty is funny.
I don't live in the US and so I'm not bombarded with with the partisan media that I perceive dominates the US. But I am a liberal (in the incorrect way that it's used in the US). My perception is that what is referred to as woke started as a movement to show empathy for people usually sidelined and maligned by mainstream society. It's about learning and understanding history rather than clichés so that you can understand how we got here. It need not be about aportioning blame if people are able to learn the lessons.
So I don't understand your statement that woke relies on hatred. I can see that there are many humourless individuals who take the idea of woke and use it as a bludgen to force their world view on others just like there are people who use selected passages from holy books to preach a version of that religion that contradicts the main point of religion. But does that negate everything in religion? Or in woke?
Personally, I've always thought that another way of thinking of woke is being polite and treating people with empathy and respect. But unfortunately the word woke has now been weaponised to justify selfishness and greed. And it is much harder to craft great comedy when everyone is treated with empathy and respect as the very act of poking fun at someone contradicts this.
So I agree with the central argument of this article but not with your lazy comment about woke being hatred. You're just regurgitating a cliché which is used now, ironically, to create hatred rather than understanding.
Woke people make that claim that they are about empathy and respect, but the vandalism, in-your-face confrontations, and other thuggish behavior by many of them say otherwise. It is literally leading to innocent people getting murdered, raped, robbed, and their property destroyed. Yes, it goes on a lot, despite much of the media either trying to downplay it or cover it up. The victims are not getting empathy or respect from the woke. Many of the nasty accusations by the woke masses are founded on dishonesty or ignorance that is so obvious that the only emotion many people can see driving it is blind hatred. I have been around many decades and I can tell you that the blind hatred, not to mention people not living in reality, in this country has gone up with wokeness.
Sorry, your argument doesn't make any sense. I think, and I stress this is a non US resident's view, that you're being lied to by your media. Statistically violent crime, excluding gun crime, is actually falling in the US but you're trying to tell me A) that it's worse. B) that it's committed by "woke" people. It's absurd.
Look, I know that we're never going to agree about this but it really scares me that you're being manipulated to hate your fellow citizens. Think back 30 years to before the Internet and social media. To before Fox decided it could get better ratings spewing hate than reporting the news impartially.
Did you hate your neighbours then?
We're not being "manipulated" to hate them. They hate us. They say so quite often. The degree to which they attack and use government power against anyone who disagrees with them is evident. We don't need media to tell us this because nearly all of us have experienced direct confrontation with them. They may claim to be "peace and love", but they have no problem with using racial and other slurs against people who have the temerity to disagree with them. It's impossible to have a polite conversation with them about nearly anything.
Wokeness is a form of gnosticism. The Woke really believe that they are inherently superior beings who, by virtue of their existence, deserve to be the nation's rulers. Things like law and ethics are, to them, merely tools for their use alone. No one else is supposed to touch them.
It looks like you got everything backwards. Everything.
I get my information from a plethora of sources, including international. I have been reading and listening to multiple new sources decades before Fox, which you apparently have no idea what it is about (that false negative reporting about this news outlet comes from hatred aimed at Fox, not the other way around.) I have personally heard things that, when reported in some of the woke-leaning news sources, is so twisted and made ugly that it does not resemble the truth. That is what it seems you are following.
Another example - theft in stores has skyrocketed in California because many of the jurisdictions in that state have decided to not prosecute thefts of under $900 or some other large amount. Since they don't prosecute, they are not considered crimes - hence the supposedly lower crime rate in this category. (There are plenty of other crimes are being ignored and criminals being let off the hook - for woke reasons.) Many stores are not allowed to try to stop these thieves. Businesses are going bankrupt, their investors are losing money, and the employees are being laid off with the store closures.
That's wokeness for you.
If your sources are not telling you this, you should expand your number of sources. Do so for many years (preferably decades), remember how the news changes based on time and other circumstances (like political parties), and start comparing. If you go in with an open mind, you will be amazed.
I think you need to go back and watch The Good Place again. Danson is not an angel. He is a demon, and the place he has set up is an individually designed torture in Hell for the target, Shellstrop, in this instance. As you go thru the seasons, you find there is actually no way to get to the Good Place, something they end up fixing at the end. It's a pretty decent commentary on Heaven and Hell that works despite the wokeness of the casting. And yes, they play on all the racial and ethnic stereotypes, which also works. Surprisingly good considering the setup. Watch it again. Cheers -
Remember, in Parks and Rec, Ron Swanson was supposed to be the antagonist, but they just couldn't make him unlikable. We were supposed to hear his opinions and recoil, but instead he ended up being the voice of reason on the show.
I believe you miss the mark with Attorney Woo. It's not a comedy per se, but a romance. As a long time Kdrama watcher I can tell you something closer to pure comedy is Lee Kwang Su's The Sound of Your Heart. The longtime comedian and variety host satirizes Korean genre TV as a sad sack cartoonist that Walter Mitty's his life.
I’ll have to check it out. I’ve watched a few other Korean shows like Kingdom and The Glory that seemed more dramatic. Woo had serious moments, but seemed more comedic to me. I guess it’s not a typical satire, but the tone’s lighthearted and there’s irony aplenty.
The tropes are different and most of what we would call "comedy" are romances edging towards rom-coms. The melodrama, cop show, supernatural show, historical dramas are all more prevalent than a US sit-com. I used to work for an Asian TV re-streamer here in the US that was bought out and closed down by a major US network and I saw very few pure comedies. And yes, Woo is lighthearted, but the main impetus of the show is not to make fun of her or for her autism to cause wacky hijinks.
As well as being funny, a good sitcom relies on the audience enjoying being in the company of its characters. Hanging out with them, laughing with them, and yes, at them, just as you do with real life friends.
The problem for Woke in all this is that it hates people. It despises them. Assumes they are awful to the core and will commit the most heinous acts of ‘hate’ unless policed and monitored at the micro level.
And no one wants to hang out with people like that.
Good point. The Good Place cast becomes so damn annoying by the second season. I could enjoy a beer with Danson or Bell if they were their first season characters. After that, I think I’d just go to the Bad Place to avoid the cringe of being around them.
You don't like Barbie or the Good Place, but you do think that Critical Drinker is interesting or informative. Awesome, no need to read any more of your work.
I believe the author said that he liked Season One of the Good Place. This would make sense given that it did get renewed for later seasons. I believe what he didn’t like were the later seasons, which makes sense since we know the show was ultimately cancelled.